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Dear Aisenberg,

According to the preface, Humbert dies of thrombosis before the trial takes place. If so, the novel is written in captivity (remember VN's odd reference to an ape behind bars?). 

You write: My problem is that in novels like "Despair" and "The Eye" N.' has to bend over backwards to make it so the narrators see everything whose implications they then vociferously deny,  Don Johnson and I have both found examples of this bending over backwardness, as you call it, in VN's forcing things over the brink, errors attributable to hubris perhaps. 

Yet Kunin does have a point: the total destabilization in the narrative she suggests does always hover in the background as a possiblity, like faraway starlight.


This is actually the whole and sum of my claim - that as worlds regress, and the novel is appreciated hanging in the art gallery of the void, one sees things "like faraway starlight."

Carolyn



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I'm not exactly sure what Kunin's point is--I thought there actually HAD been a trial as regards Humbert's innocence, that is the entire novel, Lolita, in which Humbert makes his defense to us readers, whom he regularly refers to as his judge and jury; then at the end he finds himself guilty of rape (letting himself off on the murder charges).

I think you can turn Kunin's question about whether or nor Humbert is a "reliable" narrator around a bit. Does his being an "unreliable narrator" mean that he's
unreliable about everything? One of my favorite essays by Brian Boyd, "Even Homais Nods" deals wonderfully with this issue. Some readers noticed dating inconsistencies in Humbert's confession and deduced that much of what Humbert claimed to have done most then have been invented. Boyd showed that N. wasn't always perfect in avoiding mistakes in dating; more interestingly he noted that in canceling the basic premise of the narrative--that Humbert had relations with Lolita and Killed Clare Quilty--it also canceled the canceling, making entirely arbitrary which elements in the confession the reader was meant to privilege as "true" and which ones as "false" or delusional since the entire thing originated from the "unreliable narrator".

And I do think N.'s approach in works before Lolita and after show how he tended to have a more or less solid premise with the interpretation of the elements within it up for grabs. For instance, even though the narrator of "Despair", Herrmann Karlovich is insane, I think the reader is expected to think that he existed in the usual fictional sense, was married, did
meet a man whom he thought was his exact double and did murder him for the insurance. The reader's job is to interpret the events differently from the narrator, note that Herrman's victim doesn't look anything like him; that his wife, whom he considers dim, loving and loyal is in fact having a rather obvious and banal affair with her cousin, an artist named Ardalion. In N.'s novella "The Eye" the narrator has an affair with a married woman, is caught and humiliated by her husband and commits suicide; he continues to be conscious after death, though, and so to do something becomes obsessed with the public image of another person who lives in his pension (I think). We realize soon that he didn't actually die, that he's crazy, and that the person he's obsessed with is actually himself, even before N.'s reveal toward the end. Then there's the nasty narrator of "The Vane Sisters". Again, the events and people the narrator discusses are accepted as real in
fictional terms, but we are allowed to see the characters in our own way, quibble with the narrator: for me the Vane sisters are more charming, glamorous, and pathetic than they are given credit for; we are allowed to see the way they continue to affect his destiny even after they've died, in the message hidden in the narrator's prose. "The Real Life of Sebastian Knight" also has this sort of game going on, with the narrator having biased views that the reader doesn't necessarily share--Sebastian's last Russian Love, for instance, seems to this reader amusing, playful and glamorous; refreshing, iconoclastic and rather admirable--far from the dumb insensitive whore V. tries to make her out to be once he realizes how she shook herself free of Sebastian--really, who wouldn't want to be rid of him?  And this reaction of mine, against the narrator, is the magic of N.'s approach. If you can't trust the ground floor of the premise, though, then the books
have no motor, no humor or pathos.

My problem is that in novels like "Despair" and "The Eye" N.' has to bend over backwards to make it so the narrators see everything whose implications they then vociferously deny, so that we the reader can have the pleasant experience of reading "the truth" over their heads. In Lolita, I thought N. finally solved this problem by having Humbert know the answers in retrospect but try to reconstruct his disorientation while experiencing the events for our benefit, to more fully get us on his side. "Pale Fire" on the other hand reverted to the narrator who can't understand the very things he points out for our benefit and suffers a considerable sense of forcing things, as if by artsy jackhammer, into place.

Yet Kunin does have a point: the total destabilization in the narrative she suggests does always hover in the background as a possiblity, like faraway starlight. In Ada, N. gets a genuinely new twist out
of his "unreliable narrator" gambit, creating a story whose very premise and events seem always to be in question. Absurdly twinned and twin-named characters, dialogue and inner thoughts that the narrator couldn't possibly remember let alone know, and more strangely to me, the setting itself: Antiterra--why do the people of this world think of themselves as living on Anti-Terra, as inhabiting what is, by implication of the name, a negative foil to our world, Terra, while the majority of Anti-Terrans don't even believe in us?
Here, I think Kunin's way of seeing seems plausible. Maybe Van and Ada really are just cousins in a more banal world that has been overtaken by their folie a deux, a glamorized wonderland where they are almost the same person who love each other happily ever after, though even in this fantasy the happiness can't last and be dramatized without the lurk of its loss.

And Nabokov has played with this sort of thing before
too, if not in as drastic a manner: in "Despair" the narrator tells us that he has sent his confession to an author of psychological novels and warns that the writer might try to palm it off as one of his own works; at the end of "The Real Life of Sebastian Knight" the narrator has an intuition that he and Sebastian are one and the same, perhaps someone whom neither of them knows. And Kinbote famously posited the possibility he might turn out to be a happy heterosexual Russian, I believe.  So in answer, I do think at some level Humbert is a reliable narrator--Vladimir Nabokov himself, the precise fatal synchronizer of all his books. And yet--the fun of his books--is that even as they collapse, their dreamy worlds remain intact, Humbert's misdemeanors are bracing, repellent, compelling; Lolita is sharp, funny, courageous, and heartbreaking. Their stories never happened but we give them some kind of enduring reality in our heads, alongside the flow
of the real events of our life, which is how morality works, through the creative imagining of others.  



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Dear Jansy and the List,

The concept of original sin post-dates Judaism. We are currently reading Genesis (another pair of murderous twins have just been born) and it seems to me that disobedience only (i.e. not hubris) is closer to what Adam and Eve did and for which they were punished with mortality. 

In regards to Humbert's guilt or innocence, I personally lean toward innocence partly because there has been no trial, and except in Wonderland, the trial usually precedes the verdict. But what I think is the most important question raised has so far not been addressed by the List, to wit, is Humbert a reliable narrator, which those who condemn him must accept at least to some degree, and if so, can someone please give me another example from Nabokov's oeuvre?

That is the real question.

Carolyn

p.s. I am a very lackadaisical Nabokovian and have not read most of the novels, so this is a serious, not a rhetorical, question.


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A. Stadlen's arguments about HH and Humpty
Dumpty humoristically indicate that  "Humbert's fall, like
Humpty's, like Finnegan's, is the Fall of Mankind. But the Fall is a Christian
notion. Judaism does not have Original Sin [    ] "Lolita" may have no moral in tow, but this is because it itself is the
pilot not the piloted, being moral through and through, the paradigmatic moral
and negative-theological discourse of our age. Disprove that! It's a possible
hypothesis.." However, part of his assertions seem to mingle informations
derived from common-sense reality and established dogmas, with those
that are purely fictional (a very Nabokovian trait) - like the
philosophical implications related to "the Fall." (I always thought that
biblical Adam's and Eve's disobedience and hybris, later imaged in Lucifer's
fall, were related to the theory of the Original Sin and were still
valid for Christians and for Jews.) 
 
Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to bring up an instance from
"Pale Fire" (CK's note to line 549) in which we find Shade and Nabokov
discussing sin, in the context of "obsolete terminology." 
shade: All
the seven deadly sins are peccadilloes but without three of them, Pride, Lust
and Sloth, poetry might never have been born.
kinbote: Is
it fair to base objections upon obsolete
terminology?
shade: All
religions are based upon obsolete
terminology.
kinbote:
What we term Original Sin can never grow
obsolete.
shade: I
know nothing about that. In fact when I was small I thought it meant Cain
killing Abel. Personally, I am with the old snuff-takers: L’homme est né
bon.
kinbote: Yet
disobeying the Divine Will is a fundamental definition of
Sin.
shade: I
cannot disobey something which I do not know and the reality of which I have the
right to deny.
kinbote:
Tut-tut. Do you also deny that there are
sins?
shade: I can
name only two: murder, and the deliberate infliction of pain.
 
 
Nowadays words like "honor" and "dignity" like
"sin" seem to be losing their former impact. Would they be obsolete, too,
in John Shade's eyes? (V.Nabokov, elsewhere,* mentions "a norm," not sin or
morality).
 
I agree with A.Stadlen's and J.Aisenberg's ideas,
following J.A's quotes from "Lolita,"about HH having made up the information
concerning the paternity of Lolita. (there are many other discrepancies in
the plot related to it).  

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* For Nabokov “a work of fiction exists only insofar as it affords me what I shall bluntly call aesthetic
bliss” (Lolita, Afterword, page 314), described as "a sense of being somehow,
somewhere, connected with other states of being where art (curiosity,
tenderness, kindness) is the
norm
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