NABOKV-L post 0012155, Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:59:41 -0800

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Re: Fwd: response to Alexey Sklyarenko Re: Laura & Dante,
Petrarch, Pushkin, and Preminger
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:56:05 +0300
From: Alexey Sklyarenko <skylark05@mail.ru>
Reply-To: Alexey Sklyarenko <skylark05@mail.ru>
Subject: Re: Fwd: response to Alexey Sklyarenko Re: Laura & Dante,
Petrarch, Pushkin, and Preminger
To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum

response to Alexey Sklyarenko Re: Laura & Dante, Petrarch, Pushkin, and
PremingerAnd speaking of Pushkin, aren't Dante and Danthès homonyms in Russian
pronunciation (spirals within spirals)?

Dear Carolyn,

No, the names Dante and d'Anthes are not homonymous in Russian pronounciation.
Moreover, Pushkin used to make the former of them a monosyllable: "Dant"
("Surovyi Dant ne preziral soneta, / Kamoens skorbnu mysl' im oblekal, / Ego
igru liubil tvorets Makbeta... etc.").

Alexey
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Subject: Fwd: response to Alexey Sklyarenko Re: Laura & Dante, Petrarch,
Pushkin, and Preminger




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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:35:15 -0800
From: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
Subject: response to Alexey Sklyarenko Re: Laura & Dante, Petrarch, Pushkin,
and Preminger
To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum

So, maybe, Petrarch's Laura is meant, not Dante's? Alexey


Dear Alexey,

Sorry I wasn't clear - - by "Dante's Laura" I really meant Petrarch's. I
was looking for a Laura who might be linked to Dante and found this one. I
got to Petrarch through the peacocks in VN's letter - - it was Petrarch you
see who reported that while she was pregnant, Dante's mother dreamt that her
child would be transformed into a peacock.

Your contributions would seem to confirm that this is the track VN was on.
Preminger's Laura could also play a role - - our author was never afraid to
tackle a double. By the way, Laura in the film is a kind of "revenant,"
isn't she, seemingly returning from the dead? And she is also a kind of a
muse like Petrarch's Laura (and of course Dante's Beatrice).

And speaking of Pushkin, aren't Dante and Danthès homonyms in Russian
pronunciation (spirals within spirals)?

For possible links between Petrarch, Can Grande, peacocks and Dante I can
refer you to a book by Mark MIrsky, "Dante, Eros, & Kabbalah" - -
particularly pages 166-167 and possibly ff. (hint: themes of mortality and
messianism are involved)

Sorry I took so long to respond to your helpful hints.

Carolyn

p.s. (by the way, was there the original of Petrarch's Laura, or the poet
invented her?).

This is discussed on http://petrarch.petersadlon.com/laura.html

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So, maybe, Petrarch's Laura is meant, not Dante's? Alexey



Dear Alexey,

Sorry I wasn't clear - - by "Dante's Laura" I really meant Petrarch's. I was
looking for a Laura who might be linked to Dante and found this one. I got to
Petrarch through the peacocks in VN's letter - - it was Petrarch you see who
reported that while she was pregnant, Dante's mother dreamt that her child
would be transformed into a peacock.

Your contributions would seem to confirm that this is the track VN was on.
Preminger's Laura could also play a role - - our author was never afraid to
tackle a double. By the way, Laura in the film is a kind of "revenant," isn't
she, seemingly returning from the dead? And she is also a kind of a muse like
Petrarch's Laura (and of course Dante's Beatrice).

And speaking of Pushkin, aren't Dante and Danthès homonyms in Russian
pronunciation (spirals within spirals)?

For possible links between Petrarch, Can Grande, peacocks and Dante I can
refer you to a book by Mark MIrsky, "Dante, Eros, & Kabbalah" - - particularly
pages 166-167 and possibly ff. (hint: themes of mortality and messianism are
involved)



Sorry I took so long to respond to your helpful hints.

Carolyn

p.s. (by the way, was there the original of Petrarch's Laura, or the poet
invented her?).

This is discussed on http://petrarch.petersadlon.com/laura.html

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