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Re: Sibling incest/Isaac, Jacob and Rebekkah
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I shall, finally, once and for all time, have to throw myself under a
bus or something.
Anthony is absolutely right - I must eat the black bird known as the
crow. I should not have presumed to rely on my fallible memory when
writing to this List! I shall be more careful next time (if the bus
doesn't put an end to me one and for all).
Carolyn
p.s. Abraham? I'd have to look it up -- what was that servant's name?
you know I just don't have time to look it up today. Would appreciate
it if you would do the work for me this once? Thanks.
actually - hold on a mo - my p.a. Asher Butnik just called to say he
is on his way over and he knows the Tanax way better than I do -- I'll
ask him . Putting y'all on hold ..
On Aug 8, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Anthony Stadlen wrote:
Carolyn writes: "Rebekkah is no relation to Isaac. Jacob's servant
chooses her as a mate for Isaac because of her generosity to him and
others at the well, Beershevah, the seventh well. Not veil - well.
Jacob does however send his servant back to his, Jacob's, ancestral
homeland to choose the bride, so only in that sense is she related to
the family. I believe many arabs and non-arab muslims still do this to
this day."
But, forgive my pointing it out, Carolyn is doubly mistaken. (See 1
and 2 below.)
In Genesis 24.15, "Rebekah, who was born to Bethuel, the son of Milcah
the wife of Abraham's brother Nahor, came out with her jar on her
shoulder."
(1.) Since Isaac is the son of Abraham and Sarah, Bethuel and Isaac
are first cousins. Rebekah is therefore indeed related to Isaac. She
is his first cousin once removed.
(2.) Moreover, it can hardly be Jacob (Isaac and Rebekah's future son)
who sends his servant to choose the bride who will marry his father
Isaac (and become Jacob's own mother). It is Isaac's father Abraham
who does this.
The cousin-marrying continues when, in Genesis 28.2, Isaac tells his
son Jacob to journey "to the house of Bethuel, your mother's father,
and take a wife there from among the daughters of Laban, your mother's
brother." Laban's daughters Leah and Rachel are thus Jacob's first
cousins, and through Laban's trickery Jacob marries first Leah and
then Rachel, his beloved.
Anthony Stadlen
"Oakleigh"
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bus or something.
Anthony is absolutely right - I must eat the black bird known as the
crow. I should not have presumed to rely on my fallible memory when
writing to this List! I shall be more careful next time (if the bus
doesn't put an end to me one and for all).
Carolyn
p.s. Abraham? I'd have to look it up -- what was that servant's name?
you know I just don't have time to look it up today. Would appreciate
it if you would do the work for me this once? Thanks.
actually - hold on a mo - my p.a. Asher Butnik just called to say he
is on his way over and he knows the Tanax way better than I do -- I'll
ask him . Putting y'all on hold ..
On Aug 8, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Anthony Stadlen wrote:
Carolyn writes: "Rebekkah is no relation to Isaac. Jacob's servant
chooses her as a mate for Isaac because of her generosity to him and
others at the well, Beershevah, the seventh well. Not veil - well.
Jacob does however send his servant back to his, Jacob's, ancestral
homeland to choose the bride, so only in that sense is she related to
the family. I believe many arabs and non-arab muslims still do this to
this day."
But, forgive my pointing it out, Carolyn is doubly mistaken. (See 1
and 2 below.)
In Genesis 24.15, "Rebekah, who was born to Bethuel, the son of Milcah
the wife of Abraham's brother Nahor, came out with her jar on her
shoulder."
(1.) Since Isaac is the son of Abraham and Sarah, Bethuel and Isaac
are first cousins. Rebekah is therefore indeed related to Isaac. She
is his first cousin once removed.
(2.) Moreover, it can hardly be Jacob (Isaac and Rebekah's future son)
who sends his servant to choose the bride who will marry his father
Isaac (and become Jacob's own mother). It is Isaac's father Abraham
who does this.
The cousin-marrying continues when, in Genesis 28.2, Isaac tells his
son Jacob to journey "to the house of Bethuel, your mother's father,
and take a wife there from among the daughters of Laban, your mother's
brother." Laban's daughters Leah and Rachel are thus Jacob's first
cousins, and through Laban's trickery Jacob marries first Leah and
then Rachel, his beloved.
Anthony Stadlen
"Oakleigh"
2A Alexandra Avenue
GB - London N22 7XE
Tel.: +44 (0) 20 8888 6857
For Existential Psychotherapy and Inner Circle Seminars see:
http://anthonystadlen.blogspot.com
Google Search the archive Contact the Editors Visit "Nabokov Online
Journal" Visit Zembla View Nabokv-L Policies Manage subscription
options Visit AdaOnline View NSJ Ada Annotations Temporary L-Soft
Search the archive
All private editorial communications are read by both co-editors.
Search archive with Google:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:listserv.ucsb.edu&HL=en
Contact the Editors: mailto:nabokv-l@utk.edu,nabokv-l@holycross.edu
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