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> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, July 29 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3452
>
>
>
> Re: NPPF Preliminary -- Online Resources for VN and PF
> Re: NPPF Canto 1 -- Couplets (Three Different Ones)
> Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
> Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
> Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
> Re: VLVL2 (2): Film as Metaphor -- Made-for-TV Movie Theory
> Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:57:15 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Preliminary -- Online Resources for VN and PF
>
> http://www.nabokovinrussia.org/NC2_1_3.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:44:18 -0500
> From: "Tim Strzechowski" <dedalus204@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto 1 -- Couplets (Three Different Ones)
>
> From: "jbor" <jbor@bigpond.com>
>
> > ps Apparently the poem is not written in "heroic couplets". It's written
> in
> > what I read somewhere are called "run-on couplets"
> >
>
> http://www.onelook.com/?w=**couplet**
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:50:35 -0400
> From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
> p 157, note on that line 181, which Kinbote opens with a report on his
> voyeurism:
>
> "On another trip to the bathroom an hour and a half later, at sunrise, I
> found the light transferred to the bedroom, and smiled indulgently, for,
> according to my deductions, only two nights had passed since the
> three-thousand-nine-hundred-ninety-ninth time-but no matter. A few minutes
> later all was solid darkness again, and I went back to bed."
>
> D.C.
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> To: "p-list" <pynchon-l@waste.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
>
> > >>>I guess that makes sense.. but their pillow discipline was a lot
> > stricter
> > than that with which I'm familiar<<<
> >
> > Another of many side-effects of his childhood abuse.
> >
> > (Doesn't Kinbote make a disgruntled aside to this bedroom reference
other
> > than in his commentary to these lines?)
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:30:48 -0400
> From: T <pyramid@maxwellsdemon.org>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> Re: Lines 236-44, Ant and Grasshopper:
>
>
> The fable of the "Ondt and the Gracehoper" from _Finnegans Wake_
>
> pits Space against Time, and ends in (distinctly non-heroic)
> couplets:
>
> Your genus its worldwide, your spacest sublime!
> But, Holy Saltmartin, why can't you beat time?
>
> The fable also has an incest theme ("commence insects"), and a
> suggestive passage on the Gracehoper's melancholy, in which
> melancholy is chthonic and God is a bog:
>
> "Not one pickopeck of muscow-money to bag a tittlebits of
> beebread! Iomio! Iomio! Crick's corbicule, which a plight! O moy
>
> Bog, he contrited with melanctholy."
>
>
> http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/fw-414.htm
>
>
>
> ====
> "chthonic" is misspelled in the American Library edition.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:33:44 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
> >>>p 157, note on that line 181, which Kinbote opens with a report on his
> voyeurism:<<<
>
> Yes, that's the reference of which I was speaking. Thanks AC/DC.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 29 Jul 2003 02:58:16 -0400
> From: Paul Mackin <paul.mackin@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> A further (unpublished as far a I know) variation on the fable was "The
> Grant and the Ass-hopper." It more or less described a person with a
> research grant (say, from Ford Foundation) who became dissatisfied with
> the institution to which he was attached and moved to another taking the
> grant with him.
>
> Sometimes they were portable and sometimes not.
>
> P.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:30, T wrote:
> > Re: Lines 236-44, Ant and Grasshopper:
> >
> >
> > The fable of the "Ondt and the Gracehoper" from _Finnegans Wake_
> >
> > pits Space against Time, and ends in (distinctly non-heroic)
> > couplets:
> >
> > Your genus its worldwide, your spacest sublime!
> > But, Holy Saltmartin, why can't you beat time?
> >
> > The fable also has an incest theme ("commence insects"), and a
> > suggestive passage on the Gracehoper's melancholy, in which
> > melancholy is chthonic and God is a bog:
> >
> > "Not one pickopeck of muscow-money to bag a tittlebits of
> > beebread! Iomio! Iomio! Crick's corbicule, which a plight! O moy
> >
> > Bog, he contrited with melanctholy."
> >
> >
> > http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/fw-414.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > ====
> > "chthonic" is misspelled in the American Library edition.
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3452
> ********************************
>
From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:00 AM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3452
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, July 29 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3452
>
>
>
> Re: NPPF Preliminary -- Online Resources for VN and PF
> Re: NPPF Canto 1 -- Couplets (Three Different Ones)
> Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
> Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
> Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
> Re: VLVL2 (2): Film as Metaphor -- Made-for-TV Movie Theory
> Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:57:15 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Preliminary -- Online Resources for VN and PF
>
> http://www.nabokovinrussia.org/NC2_1_3.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:44:18 -0500
> From: "Tim Strzechowski" <dedalus204@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto 1 -- Couplets (Three Different Ones)
>
> From: "jbor" <jbor@bigpond.com>
>
> > ps Apparently the poem is not written in "heroic couplets". It's written
> in
> > what I read somewhere are called "run-on couplets"
> >
>
> http://www.onelook.com/?w=**couplet**
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:50:35 -0400
> From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
> p 157, note on that line 181, which Kinbote opens with a report on his
> voyeurism:
>
> "On another trip to the bathroom an hour and a half later, at sunrise, I
> found the light transferred to the bedroom, and smiled indulgently, for,
> according to my deductions, only two nights had passed since the
> three-thousand-nine-hundred-ninety-ninth time-but no matter. A few minutes
> later all was solid darkness again, and I went back to bed."
>
> D.C.
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> To: "p-list" <pynchon-l@waste.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
>
> > >>>I guess that makes sense.. but their pillow discipline was a lot
> > stricter
> > than that with which I'm familiar<<<
> >
> > Another of many side-effects of his childhood abuse.
> >
> > (Doesn't Kinbote make a disgruntled aside to this bedroom reference
other
> > than in his commentary to these lines?)
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:30:48 -0400
> From: T <pyramid@maxwellsdemon.org>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> Re: Lines 236-44, Ant and Grasshopper:
>
>
> The fable of the "Ondt and the Gracehoper" from _Finnegans Wake_
>
> pits Space against Time, and ends in (distinctly non-heroic)
> couplets:
>
> Your genus its worldwide, your spacest sublime!
> But, Holy Saltmartin, why can't you beat time?
>
> The fable also has an incest theme ("commence insects"), and a
> suggestive passage on the Gracehoper's melancholy, in which
> melancholy is chthonic and God is a bog:
>
> "Not one pickopeck of muscow-money to bag a tittlebits of
> beebread! Iomio! Iomio! Crick's corbicule, which a plight! O moy
>
> Bog, he contrited with melanctholy."
>
>
> http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/fw-414.htm
>
>
>
> ====
> "chthonic" is misspelled in the American Library edition.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:33:44 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF - Canto Two Shade's maths
>
> >>>p 157, note on that line 181, which Kinbote opens with a report on his
> voyeurism:<<<
>
> Yes, that's the reference of which I was speaking. Thanks AC/DC.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 29 Jul 2003 02:58:16 -0400
> From: Paul Mackin <paul.mackin@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Canto Two -- Ant & Grasshopper
>
> A further (unpublished as far a I know) variation on the fable was "The
> Grant and the Ass-hopper." It more or less described a person with a
> research grant (say, from Ford Foundation) who became dissatisfied with
> the institution to which he was attached and moved to another taking the
> grant with him.
>
> Sometimes they were portable and sometimes not.
>
> P.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:30, T wrote:
> > Re: Lines 236-44, Ant and Grasshopper:
> >
> >
> > The fable of the "Ondt and the Gracehoper" from _Finnegans Wake_
> >
> > pits Space against Time, and ends in (distinctly non-heroic)
> > couplets:
> >
> > Your genus its worldwide, your spacest sublime!
> > But, Holy Saltmartin, why can't you beat time?
> >
> > The fable also has an incest theme ("commence insects"), and a
> > suggestive passage on the Gracehoper's melancholy, in which
> > melancholy is chthonic and God is a bog:
> >
> > "Not one pickopeck of muscow-money to bag a tittlebits of
> > beebread! Iomio! Iomio! Crick's corbicule, which a plight! O moy
> >
> > Bog, he contrited with melanctholy."
> >
> >
> > http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/fw-414.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > ====
> > "chthonic" is misspelled in the American Library edition.
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3452
> ********************************
>