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Fw: Scatology in ADA
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From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (157
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> where exactly does Boyd mention this? I'm not doubting uoi, I sincerely
want
> to know. Dane
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Scatology in ADA
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:31:43 -0800
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "A. Bouazza" <mushtary@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval (109
> >lines) ------------------
> > > I would like to remind the List that Mr. Brian Boyd has already dealt
> >with
> > > ADA's fecal themelet in response to John Updike's critical revulsion
> >when
> > > reviewing the novel in 1969.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > A. Bouazza.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:51 AM
> > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: creepy thoughts on ADA
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (72
> > > > lines) ------------------
> > > >
> > > > > Concerning Vanб╢s "greasy matters" discussed in this posting,
I
> > > > remember
> > > > > that VN was very critical of James Joyceб╢s clear enjoyment of
> >defecatory
> > > > > themes ( I can find the quote for you if you donб╢t have it at
hand
> >)
> >and
> > > > > this is why VNб╢s comments concerning Vanб╢s very succesful stools
> >came
> >to
> > > > me
> > > > > as a surprise.
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Jansy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: creepy thoughts on ADA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Julia Sky" <juliasky@inbox.ru>
> > > > > > To: "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (32
> > > > > > lines) ------------------
> > > > > > > Thank you Dane for your intrepid question!
> > > > > > > A question, What For? also occupies me for quite a time.
> >Actually,
> > > in
> > > > > > > STANDARD novels the theme of defecation, etc. is a taboo, and
> >Ada
> >is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > standard. The scene you are writing about is in part 2,
chapter
> >3.
> > > > There
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > some more things of that kind e.g. the very end of part 4: Van
> > > > welcomed
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > renewal of polished structures after a week of black fudge
> >fouling
> > > the
> > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > slope so high that no amount of flushing could dislodge it (p
> >441
> >in
> > > > > > Penguin
> > > > > > > classics' book). Or else, part 1 chapter 38: "Tranquilly,
> > > innocently,
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > by side in their separately ordained attitudes, they added a
> >trickle
> > > > and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > gush to the more professional sounds of the rain in the
night:"
> >(p
> > > > 208).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My idea is that for the scene in Villa Venus we can look for
> > > > explanation
> > > > > > > starting from demons and their hidden flaws in The Gift / DAR
> >(sorry
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > only Russian text of the novel): п╪п╦я─ п©я─п╣п╨я─п╟я│п╫я▀я┘
> >п╢п╣п╪п╬п╫п╬п╡; п╫п╬ п╡
> > > > п©я─п╣п╨я─п╟я│п╫п╬п╪
> > > > > > > п╢п╣п╪п╬п╫п╣ п╣я│я┌я▄ п╡я│п╣пЁп╢п╟ я┌п╟п╧п╫я▀п╧ п╦п╥ п╫,
> >я│я┌я▀п╢п╫п╟я▐ п╠п╬я─п╬п╢п╟п╡п╨п╟ п╫п╟ п╥п╟п╢я┐ я┐
> >п©п╬п╢п╬п╠п╦я▐
> > > > > > > я│п╬п╡п╣я─я┬п╣п╫я│я┌п╡п╟; п╩п╟п╨п╦я─п╬п╡п╟п╫п╫я▀п╪
> >п╩п╟п╨п╬п╪п╨п╟п╪ я─п╣п╨п╩п╟п╪, п╬п╠ п╢п╟я▌я┴п╦п╪я│я▐
> >п╤п╣п╩п╟я┌п╦п╫п╬п╪,
> > > п╫п╣
> > > > > > п╥п╫п╟я┌я▄
> > > > > > > я┌п╦я┘п╦я┘ п╬я┌я─п╟п╢ пЁп╟я│я┌я─п╬п╫п╬п╪п╟ (New York, 1952, p
> >20) (I wouldn't dare
> > > > translate
> > > > > > VN
> > > > > > > myself)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Polished structures" appear to be an answer to structuralism
> > > theory,
> > > > > > aren'
> > > > > > > t they?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those who study Ada tend to avoid these greasy places but why
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > try to find out the reason of their existence? And one more
> >thing
> > > for
> > > > > > > bilingual readers, Akhmatova wrote: <п╨п╬пЁп╢п╟ п╠ п╡я▀
> >п╥п╫п╟п╩п╦, п╦п╥ п╨п╟п╨п╬пЁп╬
> > > я│п╬я─п╟
> > > > > > > я─п╟я│я┌я┐я┌ я│я┌п╦я┘п╦, п╫п╣ п╡п╣п╢п╟я▐ я│я┌я▀п╢п╟>, a
pop-star
> >echoed <я▐ я┌п╣п╠я▐ я│п╩п╣п©п╦п╩п╟
> >п╦п╥
> > > > > я┌п╬пЁп╬,
> > > > > > > я┤я┌п╬ п╠я▀п╩п╬, п╟ п©п╬я┌п╬п╪ я┤я┌п╬ п╠я▀п╩п╬, я┌п╬ п╦
> >п©п╬п╩я▌п╠п╦п╩п╟>.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely, JS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
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From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (157
lines) ------------------
> where exactly does Boyd mention this? I'm not doubting uoi, I sincerely
want
> to know. Dane
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Scatology in ADA
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:31:43 -0800
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "A. Bouazza" <mushtary@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval (109
> >lines) ------------------
> > > I would like to remind the List that Mr. Brian Boyd has already dealt
> >with
> > > ADA's fecal themelet in response to John Updike's critical revulsion
> >when
> > > reviewing the novel in 1969.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > A. Bouazza.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:51 AM
> > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: creepy thoughts on ADA
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (72
> > > > lines) ------------------
> > > >
> > > > > Concerning Vanб╢s "greasy matters" discussed in this posting,
I
> > > > remember
> > > > > that VN was very critical of James Joyceб╢s clear enjoyment of
> >defecatory
> > > > > themes ( I can find the quote for you if you donб╢t have it at
hand
> >)
> >and
> > > > > this is why VNб╢s comments concerning Vanб╢s very succesful stools
> >came
> >to
> > > > me
> > > > > as a surprise.
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Jansy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: creepy thoughts on ADA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Julia Sky" <juliasky@inbox.ru>
> > > > > > To: "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (32
> > > > > > lines) ------------------
> > > > > > > Thank you Dane for your intrepid question!
> > > > > > > A question, What For? also occupies me for quite a time.
> >Actually,
> > > in
> > > > > > > STANDARD novels the theme of defecation, etc. is a taboo, and
> >Ada
> >is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > standard. The scene you are writing about is in part 2,
chapter
> >3.
> > > > There
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > some more things of that kind e.g. the very end of part 4: Van
> > > > welcomed
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > renewal of polished structures after a week of black fudge
> >fouling
> > > the
> > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > slope so high that no amount of flushing could dislodge it (p
> >441
> >in
> > > > > > Penguin
> > > > > > > classics' book). Or else, part 1 chapter 38: "Tranquilly,
> > > innocently,
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > by side in their separately ordained attitudes, they added a
> >trickle
> > > > and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > gush to the more professional sounds of the rain in the
night:"
> >(p
> > > > 208).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My idea is that for the scene in Villa Venus we can look for
> > > > explanation
> > > > > > > starting from demons and their hidden flaws in The Gift / DAR
> >(sorry
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > only Russian text of the novel): п╪п╦я─ п©я─п╣п╨я─п╟я│п╫я▀я┘
> >п╢п╣п╪п╬п╫п╬п╡; п╫п╬ п╡
> > > > п©я─п╣п╨я─п╟я│п╫п╬п╪
> > > > > > > п╢п╣п╪п╬п╫п╣ п╣я│я┌я▄ п╡я│п╣пЁп╢п╟ я┌п╟п╧п╫я▀п╧ п╦п╥ п╫,
> >я│я┌я▀п╢п╫п╟я▐ п╠п╬я─п╬п╢п╟п╡п╨п╟ п╫п╟ п╥п╟п╢я┐ я┐
> >п©п╬п╢п╬п╠п╦я▐
> > > > > > > я│п╬п╡п╣я─я┬п╣п╫я│я┌п╡п╟; п╩п╟п╨п╦я─п╬п╡п╟п╫п╫я▀п╪
> >п╩п╟п╨п╬п╪п╨п╟п╪ я─п╣п╨п╩п╟п╪, п╬п╠ п╢п╟я▌я┴п╦п╪я│я▐
> >п╤п╣п╩п╟я┌п╦п╫п╬п╪,
> > > п╫п╣
> > > > > > п╥п╫п╟я┌я▄
> > > > > > > я┌п╦я┘п╦я┘ п╬я┌я─п╟п╢ пЁп╟я│я┌я─п╬п╫п╬п╪п╟ (New York, 1952, p
> >20) (I wouldn't dare
> > > > translate
> > > > > > VN
> > > > > > > myself)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Polished structures" appear to be an answer to structuralism
> > > theory,
> > > > > > aren'
> > > > > > > t they?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those who study Ada tend to avoid these greasy places but why
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > try to find out the reason of their existence? And one more
> >thing
> > > for
> > > > > > > bilingual readers, Akhmatova wrote: <п╨п╬пЁп╢п╟ п╠ п╡я▀
> >п╥п╫п╟п╩п╦, п╦п╥ п╨п╟п╨п╬пЁп╬
> > > я│п╬я─п╟
> > > > > > > я─п╟я│я┌я┐я┌ я│я┌п╦я┘п╦, п╫п╣ п╡п╣п╢п╟я▐ я│я┌я▀п╢п╟>, a
pop-star
> >echoed <я▐ я┌п╣п╠я▐ я│п╩п╣п©п╦п╩п╟
> >п╦п╥
> > > > > я┌п╬пЁп╬,
> > > > > > > я┤я┌п╬ п╠я▀п╩п╬, п╟ п©п╬я┌п╬п╪ я┤я┌п╬ п╠я▀п╩п╬, я┌п╬ п╦
> >п©п╬п╩я▌п╠п╦п╩п╟>.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely, JS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
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